Comments on: What ‘Supporting Israel’ Means http://www.shma.com/2010/04/what-%e2%80%98supporting-israel%e2%80%99-means/ A Journal of Jewish Ideas Mon, 06 Feb 2012 21:19:50 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: JohnsBrittney26 http://www.shma.com/2010/04/what-%e2%80%98supporting-israel%e2%80%99-means/comment-page-1/#comment-28074 JohnsBrittney26 Thu, 01 Dec 2011 17:19:20 +0000 http://www.shma.com/?p=1931#comment-28074 I had a dream to begin my own organization, but I did not earn enough amount of cash to do this. Thank heaven my close colleague suggested to take the <a href="http://goodfinance-blog.com/topics/personal-loans" rel="nofollow">personal loans</a>. Thus I received the secured loan and made real my desire. I had a dream to begin my own organization, but I did not earn enough amount of cash to do this. Thank heaven my close colleague suggested to take the personal loans. Thus I received the secured loan and made real my desire.

]]> By: Nes Gahas http://www.shma.com/2010/04/what-%e2%80%98supporting-israel%e2%80%99-means/comment-page-1/#comment-10052 Nes Gahas Thu, 15 Jul 2010 17:04:01 +0000 http://www.shma.com/?p=1931#comment-10052 It's pretty sick for Emily to blame Israel's self-defense measures for inciting anti-Semitism of her in the U.S. Israelis face rockets and suicide bombs and snipers and vehicle rampages and annihilation, no less, from all its many enemies. Israel must protect itself, just as Jews everywhere on the planet must fight against the anti-Semites who crawl out of their caves at any pretext. <a href="http://www.dailyalert.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailyalert.org</a> It’s pretty sick for Emily to blame Israel’s self-defense measures for inciting anti-Semitism of her in the U.S. Israelis face rockets and suicide bombs and snipers and vehicle rampages and annihilation, no less, from all its many enemies. Israel must protect itself, just as Jews everywhere on the planet must fight against the anti-Semites who crawl out of their caves at any pretext.

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]]> By: Nes Gahas http://www.shma.com/2010/04/what-%e2%80%98supporting-israel%e2%80%99-means/comment-page-1/#comment-10036 Nes Gahas Thu, 15 Jul 2010 05:19:19 +0000 http://www.shma.com/?p=1931#comment-10036 Do the same people who want a say in Israeli policy worry about Egyptian human rights abuses, or Palestinian human rights abuses? The U.S. sends billions to them, and cruelty is the name of those regimes. (There are no human rights abuses by Israel; that's a manufacture of the anti-Zionist machine.) The U.S. receives plenty of strategic benefit from its alliance with Israel. On top of that, Israel makes exceptional contributions to the world in medicine, science, technology, and the arts. And all of that despite the constant warfare from its neighbors. Israel truly is a shining light. <a href="http://www.dailyalert.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailyalert.org</a> Do the same people who want a say in Israeli policy worry about Egyptian human rights abuses, or Palestinian human rights abuses? The U.S. sends billions to them, and cruelty is the name of those regimes. (There are no human rights abuses by Israel; that’s a manufacture of the anti-Zionist machine.) The U.S. receives plenty of strategic benefit from its alliance with Israel. On top of that, Israel makes exceptional contributions to the world in medicine, science, technology, and the arts. And all of that despite the constant warfare from its neighbors. Israel truly is a shining light.

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]]> By: Emily http://www.shma.com/2010/04/what-%e2%80%98supporting-israel%e2%80%99-means/comment-page-1/#comment-8131 Emily Mon, 31 May 2010 01:01:55 +0000 http://www.shma.com/?p=1931#comment-8131 The problem here is that the US sends billions to Israel. That investment makes a lot of people feel they have a right to weigh in on what Israel does with the money, especially regarding their military operations and possible human rights abuses. To willfully ignore that reality is to make this entire article and its position completely irrelevant. And Israel is going to find that opposition to its policies will only continue to grow in the USA -- where Jews must also bear the brunt of growing anti-semitism due to Israel's treatment of the Palestinians. Does anyone in Israel EVER consider that? Israel -- you are giving your enemies a lot of ammunition these days. It's not helping anyone. http://happyrain.org/ The problem here is that the US sends billions to Israel. That investment makes a lot of people feel they have a right to weigh in on what Israel does with the money, especially regarding their military operations and possible human rights abuses. To willfully ignore that reality is to make this entire article and its position completely irrelevant. And Israel is going to find that opposition to its policies will only continue to grow in the USA — where Jews must also bear the brunt of growing anti-semitism due to Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians. Does anyone in Israel EVER consider that? Israel — you are giving your enemies a lot of ammunition these days. It’s not helping anyone.

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]]> By: Victoria http://www.shma.com/2010/04/what-%e2%80%98supporting-israel%e2%80%99-means/comment-page-1/#comment-6619 Victoria Wed, 14 Apr 2010 19:33:45 +0000 http://www.shma.com/?p=1931#comment-6619 The problem here is that the US sends billions to Israel. That investment makes a lot of people feel they have a right to weigh in on what Israel does with the money, especially regarding their military operations and possible human rights abuses. To willfully ignore that reality is to make this entire article and its position completely irrelevant. And Israel is going to find that opposition to its policies will only continue to grow in the USA -- where Jews must also bear the brunt of growing anti-semitism due to Israel's treatment of the Palestinians. Does anyone in Israel EVER consider that? Israel -- you are giving your enemies a lot of ammunition these days. It's not helping anyone. The problem here is that the US sends billions to Israel. That investment makes a lot of people feel they have a right to weigh in on what Israel does with the money, especially regarding their military operations and possible human rights abuses. To willfully ignore that reality is to make this entire article and its position completely irrelevant. And Israel is going to find that opposition to its policies will only continue to grow in the USA — where Jews must also bear the brunt of growing anti-semitism due to Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians. Does anyone in Israel EVER consider that? Israel — you are giving your enemies a lot of ammunition these days. It’s not helping anyone.

]]> By: stopjstreet http://www.shma.com/2010/04/what-%e2%80%98supporting-israel%e2%80%99-means/comment-page-1/#comment-6563 stopjstreet Sun, 11 Apr 2010 07:47:20 +0000 http://www.shma.com/?p=1931#comment-6563 It is well known that Ben-Ami has even had difficulty controlling the anti-israel, extremists that have joined jstreet.. and regarding Alex's post.. why should you respect the democratically elected leaders of israel? i would suggest that if you respect the will of the israeli people, you would also respect their decisions regardless if you agree. http://www.stopjstreet.org It is well known that Ben-Ami has even had difficulty controlling the anti-israel, extremists that have joined jstreet..

and regarding Alex’s post.. why should you respect the democratically elected leaders of israel? i would suggest that if you respect the will of the israeli people, you would also respect their decisions regardless if you agree.

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]]> By: Ludvikus http://www.shma.com/2010/04/what-%e2%80%98supporting-israel%e2%80%99-means/comment-page-1/#comment-6559 Ludvikus Sun, 11 Apr 2010 02:55:33 +0000 http://www.shma.com/?p=1931#comment-6559 Extremely well put. i might add that i don't here Israelis advising Americans to make peace with Cuba. Neither do I hear Israelis - as such - advising the USA to change its citizenship laws to accommodate "illegal" Mexican residents and laborers. If you're a Jew and oppose Israeli policy, than become and Israeli Citizen and participate. Otherwise, defer to the Jews living their who have no else to go. Don't for get what the "civilized" Germans did to Jews until 1945 when Jews boarded those trains to be re-settled in the East. How about helping Palestinians to settle in our country - since neither Israel nor Palestine will be able to absorb all the victims of the "catastrophe" of Europe's and America's making in 1948-9. If in the last 100 years Jews were allowed to live peacefully outside Israel, perhaps Israel would not be what it is today. But it's preposterous to impose conditions upon Israelis, many of whom are the descendants of victims who suffered at the hands of non-Jews, with whom they were not allowed to live in peace. Only Israelis should decide what the acceptable peace terms are - when they are being threatened by Hamas, Hezbolah, and Iran - the last of which forecasts to drive the Zionists (=Jews) off the face of the map. The theocracy of Iran will not use nuclear bombs to attack Israel? "Ladies and gentleman, this way to the showers" (that's a reminder to my bleeding-heart Jews who haven't learned their history, and what can happen again). I saw in Manhattan what 19 Muslim Arabs did to 3,000 innocent civilians through my window. The only response to that kind of violence is war. And as a Democrat, I'm thankful to the second President Bush for his response. Terrorists believe that they are brave, and we in the West are weak. I believe that Israelis understand that much better than soft (liberal) "do-goodnick" American Jews. Extremely well put. i might add that i don’t here Israelis advising Americans to make peace with Cuba. Neither do I hear Israelis – as such – advising the USA to change its citizenship laws to accommodate “illegal” Mexican residents and laborers. If you’re a Jew and oppose Israeli policy, than become and Israeli Citizen and participate. Otherwise, defer to the Jews living their who have no else to go. Don’t for get what the “civilized” Germans did to Jews until 1945 when Jews boarded those trains to be re-settled in the East. How about helping Palestinians to settle in our country – since neither Israel nor Palestine will be able to absorb all the victims of the “catastrophe” of Europe’s and America’s making in 1948-9. If in the last 100 years Jews were allowed to live peacefully outside Israel, perhaps Israel would not be what it is today. But it’s preposterous to impose conditions upon Israelis, many of whom are the descendants of victims who suffered at the hands of non-Jews, with whom they were not allowed to live in peace. Only Israelis should decide what the acceptable peace terms are – when they are being threatened by Hamas, Hezbolah, and Iran – the last of which forecasts to drive the Zionists (=Jews) off the face of the map. The theocracy of Iran will not use nuclear bombs to attack Israel? “Ladies and gentleman, this way to the showers” (that’s a reminder to my bleeding-heart Jews who haven’t learned their history, and what can happen again). I saw in Manhattan what 19 Muslim Arabs did to 3,000 innocent civilians through my window. The only response to that kind of violence is war. And as a Democrat, I’m thankful to the second President Bush for his response. Terrorists believe that they are brave, and we in the West are weak. I believe that Israelis understand that much better than soft (liberal) “do-goodnick” American Jews.

]]> By: Michael Hess http://www.shma.com/2010/04/what-%e2%80%98supporting-israel%e2%80%99-means/comment-page-1/#comment-6558 Michael Hess Sun, 11 Apr 2010 01:56:26 +0000 http://www.shma.com/?p=1931#comment-6558 Roberta, You've done nothing but spout the same old lines that didn't work before and will not work now. There's been an Arab Peace Initiative on the table since March 2003, and the Arab League just last month gave it yet one more chance; hardly "Arab rejectionism". Israel has ignored it, even though it is clearly mentioned in the Road Map and favored by the Obama administration. There are 500,000 illegal colonists currently living outside of Israel's internationally recognized borders, a huge Elephant in the room you left out. And most troubling of all but entirely predictable, according to Haaretz there is a new move afoot to "deport" thousands of Palestinians from the West Bank. With the war crimes and crimes against humanity pointed out by the exhaustive and thorough Goldstone Report to Israel paying the UN $10.5 million in restitution as a result of the War on Gaza, the "settlers" (they are illegal squatters and a violent lot at that), and now this new move for even more ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, I'm wondering just how you think these types of actions are Western values? Just how moral is it that Israel is keeping millions of Palestinians in ghettos and under siege? I support an Israel that follows the rule of law, not the current out of control rogue regime. Roberta,

You’ve done nothing but spout the same old lines that didn’t work before and will not work now.

There’s been an Arab Peace Initiative on the table since March 2003, and the Arab League just last month gave it yet one more chance; hardly “Arab rejectionism”.

Israel has ignored it, even though it is clearly mentioned in the Road Map and favored by the Obama administration.

There are 500,000 illegal colonists currently living outside of Israel’s internationally recognized borders, a huge Elephant in the room you left out.

And most troubling of all but entirely predictable, according to Haaretz there is a new move afoot to “deport” thousands of Palestinians from the West Bank.

With the war crimes and crimes against humanity pointed out by the exhaustive and thorough Goldstone Report to Israel paying the UN $10.5 million in restitution as a result of the War on Gaza, the “settlers” (they are illegal squatters and a violent lot at that), and now this new move for even more ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, I’m wondering just how you think these types of actions are Western values?

Just how moral is it that Israel is keeping millions of Palestinians in ghettos and under siege?

I support an Israel that follows the rule of law, not the current out of control rogue regime.

]]> By: Alex http://www.shma.com/2010/04/what-%e2%80%98supporting-israel%e2%80%99-means/comment-page-1/#comment-6552 Alex Sat, 10 Apr 2010 13:49:45 +0000 http://www.shma.com/?p=1931#comment-6552 "critics charge that J Street’s redefinition includes anti-Israel elements" Do you have evidence to support this? Which "anti-Israel elements"? "To be identified as pro-Israel, American Jews should support Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish state and to defend itself, even if this requires military measures. They should respect Israel’s democracy and the decisions of its elected government, despite disagreements with specific policies. Israelis’ blood, sweat, and tears, not those of Americans, build and protect the country, and it is their lives that are on the line. American Jews should not presume to know what is best for Israelis..." Identified by whom? Why do I need to pass someone's litmus test? Why should I respect the likes of Lieberman, Bibi, Yishai? There is also no mention that my country subsidizes the "military measures" alluded to here. In fairness can you add, "Israelis should not presume to know what is best for American Jews"? http://alexcacioppo.blogspot.com “critics charge that J Street’s redefinition includes anti-Israel elements”

Do you have evidence to support this? Which “anti-Israel elements”?

“To be identified as pro-Israel, American Jews should support Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish state and to defend itself, even if this requires military measures. They should respect Israel’s democracy and the decisions of its elected government, despite disagreements with specific policies. Israelis’ blood, sweat, and tears, not those of Americans, build and protect the country, and it is their lives that are on the line. American Jews should not presume to know what is best for Israelis…”

Identified by whom? Why do I need to pass someone’s litmus test? Why should I respect the likes of Lieberman, Bibi, Yishai? There is also no mention that my country subsidizes the “military measures” alluded to here. In fairness can you add, “Israelis should not presume to know what is best for American Jews”?

http://alexcacioppo.blogspot.com

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